[d_vyne_madness]

Lately I have been very interested exploring about the phenomena of UFOs, and their 'occupants', and also trying to understand psychedelics relation to this subject.
Apparently, as far as I know, very few researchers have done this--like Terrence McKenna--, and the guy that has turned me onto my current phase of looking more into this is Ananda Bosman (checkout his video series at YoutubeAnanda Bosman Hadronic Mechanics & Entheogens )
As Ananda points in in part 3 of his talk, it is very amusing how when you try and mention the subject of entheogens to many UFOlogists they think it is too far out, but also when you mention the subject of UFOs to many psychedelic researchers they too think that they are so far out alreadyt adding that is too much ;) YET, I wholeheartedly agree with Ananda that is is VITAL to bring these two subjects togther.
Funnily enough, I recently joined a supposedly radical forums about UFOs and the Paranorma, the Paracast forums, started a thread about this--got a hostile response, and when I reacted (in a polite way) in disappointment, had the thread taken down! I have been on some fucked up forums but have never had a thread deleted! But it just shows you the irony of this

Any way, in my research it takes you into looking into DMT. Apparently DMT is a chemical that plants some plants and fungy have, including sacred plants like Ayahuasca. DMT is said to be produced from the Pineal Gland, and DMT is activated in sleep, and NDEs, and most likely before actual physical death, and....

I found this really interesting article that is hypthesizing that 'reality' we take to be 'normal' and 'objective' may in fact be rather a controlled psychedelic experience!

"Medical Hypotheses
“Wallach's research on the effect of DMT on other endocrine compounds in the human body seemed to suggest that "...DMT and other endogenous hallucinogens mediate their neurological abilities by acting as neurotransmitters at a sub class of the trace amine receptors; a group of receptors found in the CNS where DMT and other hallucinogens have been shown to have activity."
Wallach proposes that in this way waking consciousness can be thought of as a controlled psychedelic experience. When the control of these normal systems of perception becomes loosened and their behavior no longer correlates with the external world, then altered states arise.
Translated, what this suggests is that consciousness, the waking state we take as a 'given' and that feeds us information about the physical world, is itself a kind of hallucination that is fed to us in a controlled way by the pineal gland. Changing the dosage and timing results in a completely different experience (the aliens, the tunnel of light), raising the question of, which experience is real?
Are either of these perceived realities really real? Are neither of them real? Is there more than one dimension of reality and if so, can we, like lamprey eels, perceive another dimension when the chemical lens is made available to us?
Are either of these perceived realities really real? Are neither of them real? Is there more than one dimension of reality and if so, can we, like lamprey eels, perceive another dimension when the chemical lens is made available to us?
I don't have any easy answers, and I do have a distaste for blind alleys when it comes to UFO stuff, since that's about all anything ever turns out to be--yet another blind alley. But I have to admit this line of research looks like it could come together in a very interesting way indeed, and that it definitely pushes us to the edge of some kind of envelope in terms of material reality versus psychological reality and arguments about consciousness and aliens. “

This is a very interesting hypothesis from a Madness perspective especially, because it would explain how come people can be seen to have 'psychedelic experience' not acceptable to the 'controlled' psychedelic experiencees. You know, the ones who believe war and people homless on the streets is the 'real world' one needs to errr ...trip with?
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[silverelf]

Dr Rick Strassman at the University of New Mexico has done some interesting research around DMT -- though I don't think it is ongoing -- book is called "The Spirit Molecule" - check it out if you get a chance

[d_vyne_madness]

Hi Silverelf, ahaaaa it so happens that the previous two days to this one I have been watching videos of Rick Strassman's. My favourite is the one where Joanna interviews him on FuturePrimitive--which is avalable at Youtube.

In it Rick says how he was so shook by his findings from DMT research that he did nothing but weave for a whole year...;))) lol That is beautiful, and SO Goddess

It is also very interesting the negative reaction he got from other Zennists when his voice was heard by a larger audience, eventually him being rejected by his Zen school, and this made Rick question the monopilization of the 'unitive' interpretation of religious experience which as we know great affected the 50s, 60s generations and after. And he says how introduction to Ayahuasca and DMT encouraged a more relational religious experience

[pakana]

Hmm...the way you word things, d_vyne, makes me think more of resonance. As in, when the brain is "tuned" to the outside world or ordinary reality, then we see certain patterns of neurochemicals in the brain. When the patterns change, so is the tuning. Whether the tuning goes to snow and static or to some other program is...open to discussion. ;)

[d_vyne_madness]

Hey pakana, I like your analogy of 'tune in'. I was listening to an interview Graham Hancok gave recently and made a note where he says: "our culture forces us to only be able to tune into the 'frequency' "channel normal"'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Za8fMjo8U

That's how I see the situation. There are all differerent strategies to tune us into an 'accepted' frequency which starts very young at Kindergarten via 'education' (Gatto)

As well as that we have the constant onslaught of Mass Media tuning us with their 'tricks of the trade' (Bernays)

Then we have our parents and peers, themselves affected by all that who reinforce it on you, subtly and not so subtly

And last but not least we have central-control tuning station, the Mental Health Movement, that in their time have employed incarceration, torture devices, lobotomies, and now mainly drugs and ECT to 'tune us' into their horrible version of reality. A reality that accepts the social darwinist myth of 'only the fittest survive' of homelessness/people sleeping on horrible filthy concrete streets in the cold, etc, and slavery, alcohol abuse, and other illegal drugs, violence, mass starvation, war, deceit, etc etc

Styart waking up to their 'tuning' and they get worried and wanna re-dumb us out